Besides, I don't agree with your belief that the people who are being oppressed have the final say. That is the whole point of this - I don't buy into the model.
Yes, well, that would be your privilege, wouldn't it?
It's your business (and privilege) if you don't accept the model. Heck, plenty of Americans don't accept it either. Sadly, the model doesn't require your belief in order to work painfully, powerfully well... but if you don't have to see it, or if you don't need to understand that model in order to provide you with useful survival skills (as most PoC do), then no amount of people trying to convince you will make a difference.
Here's what I'd suggest. If you've found plenty of non-white Brits who believe that the UK example is all about teh harmony (incidentally, there are plenty of Americans who think our society is racially harmonious too), then listen to them. Then if you still don't understand why some Brit non-white people go with the "conflict" model, go listen to them too. Your problem seems to be that a lot of the people saying this are American; fine. Ignore us and go talk to just the UK folk. The bottom line is, listen to the people who know best, rather than forming your own opinion in a vacuum (or under the partial influence of Americanocentrism, or your resistance to it). As you said, you don't have the time or the patience for a discussion on the subject, so don't talk. Just listen.
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Yes, well, that would be your privilege, wouldn't it?
It's your business (and privilege) if you don't accept the model. Heck, plenty of Americans don't accept it either. Sadly, the model doesn't require your belief in order to work painfully, powerfully well... but if you don't have to see it, or if you don't need to understand that model in order to provide you with useful survival skills (as most PoC do), then no amount of people trying to convince you will make a difference.
Here's what I'd suggest. If you've found plenty of non-white Brits who believe that the UK example is all about teh harmony (incidentally, there are plenty of Americans who think our society is racially harmonious too), then listen to them. Then if you still don't understand why some Brit non-white people go with the "conflict" model, go listen to them too. Your problem seems to be that a lot of the people saying this are American; fine. Ignore us and go talk to just the UK folk. The bottom line is, listen to the people who know best, rather than forming your own opinion in a vacuum (or under the partial influence of Americanocentrism, or your resistance to it). As you said, you don't have the time or the patience for a discussion on the subject, so don't talk. Just listen.