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On the Transformativity of Fanworks
My naive intuition is that podfic falls somewhere between remixing or otherwise writing fanfic of fanfic (which I most strongly maintain does not require permission) and archiving fic (which does, generally). Now while all the podfic meta I've ever read stresses the transformativeness of podfic, that's not necessarily at odds with my naive intuition. After all, I don't think I've ever heard anyone's describing OTW's mandate as including unlicensed audiobooks.
So I don't know.
And so, in the spirit of the original discussion post, a poll.
On a scale of 0 and 10, with 0 being "not at all transformative" and 10 being "the most transformative I can possibly imagine," how transformative is fanfiction as a genre?
Mean: 7.42 Median: 8 Std. Dev 1.87
| 0 | 0 (0.0%) | |
|---|---|---|
| 1 | 0 (0.0%) | |
| 2 | 0 (0.0%) | |
| 3 | 3 (7.0%) | |
| 4 | 0 (0.0%) | |
| 5 | 5 (11.6%) | |
| 6 | 2 (4.7%) | |
| 7 | 8 (18.6%) | |
| 8 | 14 (32.6%) | |
| 9 | 5 (11.6%) | |
| 10 | 6 (14.0%) |
On a scale of 0 and 10, with 0 being "not at all transformative" and 10 being "the most transformative I can possibly imagine," how transformative (in relation to the original fic, not the canon) is podfic as a genre?
Mean: 3.86 Median: 4 Std. Dev 1.89
| 0 | 0 (0.0%) | |
|---|---|---|
| 1 | 5 (11.6%) | |
| 2 | 6 (14.0%) | |
| 3 | 10 (23.3%) | |
| 4 | 5 (11.6%) | |
| 5 | 9 (20.9%) | |
| 6 | 4 (9.3%) | |
| 7 | 2 (4.7%) | |
| 8 | 2 (4.7%) | |
| 9 | 0 (0.0%) | |
| 10 | 0 (0.0%) |
When taken as genres, podfic is ___ transformative when compared to fanfiction.
On a scale of 0 and 10, with 0 being "not at all transformative" and 10 being "the most transformative I can possibly imagine," how transformative (in relation to the remixed fic, not the canon) are fanfiction remixes as a genre?
Mean: 7.07 Median: 7 Std. Dev 1.61
| 0 | 0 (0.0%) | |
|---|---|---|
| 1 | 0 (0.0%) | |
| 2 | 0 (0.0%) | |
| 3 | 1 (2.4%) | |
| 4 | 1 (2.4%) | |
| 5 | 5 (12.2%) | |
| 6 | 8 (19.5%) | |
| 7 | 8 (19.5%) | |
| 8 | 11 (26.8%) | |
| 9 | 4 (9.8%) | |
| 10 | 3 (7.3%) |
When taken as genres, fanfiction remixes are ___ transformative when compared to fics which are not remixes.
When taken as genres, podfics are ___ transformative when compared to fanfiction remixes.
On a scale of 0 and 10, with 0 being "not at all transformative" and 10 being "the most transformative I can possibly imagine," how transformative are fanvids as a genre, in relation to the images?
Mean: 7.33 Median: 8 Std. Dev 1.83
| 0 | 0 (0.0%) | |
|---|---|---|
| 1 | 0 (0.0%) | |
| 2 | 1 (2.4%) | |
| 3 | 1 (2.4%) | |
| 4 | 1 (2.4%) | |
| 5 | 4 (9.5%) | |
| 6 | 3 (7.1%) | |
| 7 | 10 (23.8%) | |
| 8 | 12 (28.6%) | |
| 9 | 5 (11.9%) | |
| 10 | 5 (11.9%) |
On a scale of 0 and 10, with 0 being "not at all transformative" and 10 being "the most transformative I can possibly imagine," how transformative are fanvids as a genre, in relation to the music?
Mean: 5.34 Median: 6 Std. Dev 2.81
| 0 | 2 (4.9%) | |
|---|---|---|
| 1 | 3 (7.3%) | |
| 2 | 3 (7.3%) | |
| 3 | 5 (12.2%) | |
| 4 | 1 (2.4%) | |
| 5 | 5 (12.2%) | |
| 6 | 7 (17.1%) | |
| 7 | 4 (9.8%) | |
| 8 | 5 (12.2%) | |
| 9 | 4 (9.8%) | |
| 10 | 2 (4.9%) |
On a scale of 0 and 10, with 0 being "not at all transformative" and 10 being "the most transformative I can possibly imagine," how transformative is (static) fanart (other than photomanipulations) as a genre?
Mean: 6.68 Median: 7 Std. Dev 2.27
| 0 | 0 (0.0%) | |
|---|---|---|
| 1 | 2 (4.5%) | |
| 2 | 0 (0.0%) | |
| 3 | 2 (4.5%) | |
| 4 | 4 (9.1%) | |
| 5 | 3 (6.8%) | |
| 6 | 10 (22.7%) | |
| 7 | 3 (6.8%) | |
| 8 | 10 (22.7%) | |
| 9 | 6 (13.6%) | |
| 10 | 4 (9.1%) |
On a scale of 0 and 10, with 0 being "not at all transformative" and 10 being "the most transformative I can possibly imagine," how transformative are manips as a genre?
Mean: 6.62 Median: 7 Std. Dev 2.30
| 0 | 0 (0.0%) | |
|---|---|---|
| 1 | 0 (0.0%) | |
| 2 | 3 (7.1%) | |
| 3 | 2 (4.8%) | |
| 4 | 3 (7.1%) | |
| 5 | 6 (14.3%) | |
| 6 | 3 (7.1%) | |
| 7 | 7 (16.7%) | |
| 8 | 10 (23.8%) | |
| 9 | 3 (7.1%) | |
| 10 | 5 (11.9%) |
Is there a specific threshold of transformativity which is required to create fanworks without the original works' creators' permission?
If so, what is that threshold?
Mean: 3.69 Median: 4.5 Std. Dev 2.17
| 0 | 3 (18.8%) | |
|---|---|---|
| 1 | 0 (0.0%) | |
| 2 | 1 (6.2%) | |
| 3 | 3 (18.8%) | |
| 4 | 1 (6.2%) | |
| 5 | 5 (31.2%) | |
| 6 | 2 (12.5%) | |
| 7 | 1 (6.2%) | |
| 8 | 0 (0.0%) | |
| 9 | 0 (0.0%) | |
| 10 | 0 (0.0%) |
From the OTW FAQ: "A transformative use is one that, in the words of the U.S. Supreme Court, 'adds something new, with a further purpose or different character, altering the [source] with new expression, meaning, or message.' A story from Voldemort's perspective is transformative, so is a story about a pop star that illustrates something about current attitudes toward celebrity or sexuality."
Evaluate a genre's transformativity as a genre in whatever way makes sense to you, whether it is by singling out something you think is essential about that genre or by just taking all the fics you've read in a genre and taking their average transformativity.
Obviously the numbers you come up with will be somewhat arbitrary, and the whole process a bit overly schematic, but hopefully as an exercise it'll prove enlightening. If not, still a poll! Polls are fun! (Sorry for the lack of ticky boxes.)
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I agree with this, and I think it's because the source canon is on a different level than any fic, art, etc. that people produce for it. That is, if you write a fic, no matter how much people love it, call it "their new canon" or whatever, the original is still the Truth for that universe. It is inherently more legitimate than the fic.
Conversely, fic does not have that kind of legitimacy over other fic. The original and the remix are on the same level, which can lead to problems fic based on original canons does not encounter. So I think those who believe that remixing a fic is the same as writing fic based on an original canon are really missing the elephant in the room.
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I do too. Well, not "requirement" perhaps, but "courtesy". For me, the reason is that the fanfic author and I (the would-be remixer/podficcer) exist in the same general community, and the likelihood is high that they would come across my work. Just as I think it's polite not to shove fanfic in the faces of TPTB -- who may not want to know about it -- I think it's polite not to put one's fellow fans in the position of stumbling across remixes of their work as they're going about their normal day-to-day routine.
I realize even that's not completely logical, because I don't feel that one should ask permission before reviewing a work, even though of course the author might not want to stumble across a review that's not 100% positive. However, people do seem to take fanfic/remixes/etc more personally than reviews for the most part, so the extra layer of courtesy seems appropriate.
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