alixtii: John and Cameron, looking cue together. (Sarah Connor Chronicles)
2010-01-11 04:15 pm

The T:tSCC Rewatch Continues

CAMERON: You sent [Derek] back to wait for us. (in "Queen's Gambit")

This reaffirms the notion that Derek and Cameron come from the same timeline. (Or does it?) But when and why did John send Derek back?

If Derek was sent back to 2006+, then he would have been wiped away when Cameron changed history in 1999, and wouldn't appear in the new timeline The Sarah Connor Chronicles takes place in--unless both John's send back Derek: the first so that Cameron can remember it, and the second so that Derek can actually reach the destination. The thing is, they'd have to send John for different reasons: the latter John would send Derek back knowing that Cameron would cause Sarah and John to jump forward in the future, and the former John would send Derek back because--the thing is, I can't figure out a coherent reason why John would send Derek back.

He'd have to have known that Cameron was going to change history, because presumably he wouldn't have remembered meeting Cameron as a teenager. (I toyed with the possibility of ignoring T3 and assuming that John did remember meeting Cameron, and having it all be one big causality loop--but no, Sarah's death by cancer screws up that theory.) So it'd be silly to send Derek back to any point in time after he sent Cameron. So he either didn't think things through--and I'd hate for the fanwank to only work by assuming the characters are stupid--or else he sent back Derek to before 1999. But that doesn't seem to work--surely Jessie would have noticed if he was suddenly a lot older? (We can assume that Derek jumped back and then jumped forward, but now we're getting to truly massive amounts of fanwank.)

Maybe there's some way John could send Derek and Cameron back at the same time (but to different temporal destinations) so that Derek would be protected from the effects of Cameron changing history? Call it the Stargate: Continuum school of time travel theory.

Ruling out that possibility, we're now back to Derek and Cameron being from separate timelines. But why would Cameron claim to know the reason John sent Derek back if they aren't from the same timeline? Assuming that John did, for whatever reason, try to send Derek back in Cameron's timeline, she could have assumed the same logic would carry over. This seems like a big assumption--if Derek's John knew Cameron as a teenager, that John might well reason very differently, but again, for the show to make any sense at all we do need to assume some degree of temporal inertia, that certain patterns (like Cameron's conversation with Jessie) keep happening over and over again in multiple timelines. Cameron would presumably be familiar with this phenomenon. But that explanation still doesn't seem totally sufficient to explain Cameron's utter certainty that Derek's mission was not to kill Andy Goode, but rather to wait for "us." There's no way she could be 100% positive that history didn't change in a salient way, is there?

The simplest explanation might be to simply assume Cameron is lying. But what could her motivation be? (Ooh, there's a fic there somewhere.)
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2010-01-08 11:37 am

Two Notes

1.My character tag at the Archive of Our Own. (I don't believe you need my permission to write RPF about me, but you certainly have my blessing. Just don't out me if you know my legal persona.)

2. SCC 1x02 strongly implies that Derek and Cameron come from the same future (the date that Cameron provides for Judgment Day is the combination for the safe). Thus, in the future that Derek comes from, John doesn't skip any years. (Presumably, in the future Jessie comes from, he does.) In short, Timelines B and C are the same.

That would mean any appearance of Cameron in Derek's flashbacks would be an appearance of our Cameron, and the differences between the future of, say, "Dungeons and Dragons" and T3 would be the same as between Cameron's future and T3--the main difference we know of being the date of Judgment Day. (I'm not quite sure I understand the mechanics of T3, though--at first glance it looks like a causality loop, but on further looks it become clear that history is being changed, although I'm not sure what it's being changed from--so it might be better to just ignore it altogether.) Off the top of my head, I can't think of anything problematic about this (other than one would expect his and Jessie's timelines to be more wildly divergent, but we already have weird parallelism existing between timelines: Judgment Day itself, of course, but also the fact that Cameron and Jessie both remember the conversation about Jessie's unborn child despite both coming from different timelines) or any detail to contradict the theory. Can anyone else?
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2009-04-21 09:11 am

The Temporal Mechanics of SCC Season 2.5

Remember this post, where I diagram the various timelines of T:tSCC? After "The Last Voyage of the Jimmy Carter" and "Born to Run," it seemed like it was time to update the diagram. Below the cut is the new and improved (and very spoilery) diagram, with notes. As before, history-changing time travel is represented in red, causality loops in blue, indeterminate events in green, and Judgment Day in yellow. I've also added certain other major events in purple.

spoilers for the entire Terminator film and TV franchise )

I don't quite understand all the fanresponses I've read that seem to assume that show canon can be one big, happy causality loop, and I find that pervasiveness of that perspective frustrating. (Even the Terminator Wiki tries to press everything together into one timeline.) The only way I can imagine that working is if everyone who came from the future--Kyle, the T-101's, Cameron, Derek, Jessie, Catherine--has been lying not only about the date of Judgment Day, but about pretty much everything. Which would be a serious break of contract with the viewer.

If we don't get a Season 3, I don't even know what we'll do.
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2008-12-03 12:39 pm

The T-888 in the Wall

I've been watching The Sarah Connor Chronicles, of course, and squeeing. I'd probably watch it for Summer alone, but I've been really enjoying some of the places they've been going for season 2. Both "Complications" and "A Self-Made Man" made me stop and think, and I had to sit down and make a chart of most of the significant time-travel we've seen so far.

Causality loops are in purple, history-changing events are in red, and indeterminate events are green. The yellow bar is Judgment Day.

Timelines!
Timeline A: Kyle Reese fathers John Connor, who goes on to lead the resistance. It seems likely, but not certain, that John knows what's up when he sends Kyle back.

1. The Terminator. A T-101 (Arnold) is sent back to kill Sarah Connor; Kyle Reese is sent back to protect her.(Causality Loop)

2. Terminator 2: Judgment Day. A T-1000 (Robert Patrick) is sent back to kill John Connor; a reprogrammed T-101 is sent back to protect him. (History Changer)

Elements of Timeline A's future which persist into future timelines: 1/2 of John Connor's genetic information.

Timeline B: Sarah, John, and the T-101 take down Cyberdyne Systems to ensure SkyNet is never created, but only succeed in postponing Judgment Day. Sarah Connor dies of cancer.

3. Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines. A Terminatrix is sent back to kill John Connor; a T-101 is sent to protect him; John is maneuvered by fate into surviving Judgment Day and leading the resistance. (Causality Loop)

4. "Pilot." A T-888 (Cromartie) is sent back to kill John Connor. Cameron is sent back to protect him (so far as we know). Cameron takes John and Sarah several years into the future, tells Sarah that she died of cancer in the future she came from, and generally majorly frells up the timeline. (History Changer)

Elements of Timeline B's future which persist into future timelines: Cameron.

Timeline C: Sarah, John, and Cameron do TV-show things in 2007 California. Derek and Kyle Reese serve under John Connor post-Judgment Day. Note: in this and all subsequent timelines, John Connor knew Cameron as a teenager.

5. Derek Reese is sent back to pre-Judgment Day. Nobody really knows whether this is a causality loop or a history changer, with the possible exception of future!John. It doesn't matter, really, because. . . .

6. A bunch of other stuff happens too, none of it particularly important (and thus not shown on the chart) but the chance that at least one of them is a history-changer approaches unity. Indeed, the chance is 100%, because we know Derek has to come from a different timeline than Jessie and Charlie Fisher.

Elements of Timeline C's future which persist into future timelines: Derek.

Timeline D: Derek is tortured post-Judgment Day.

7. "Complications." Jessie and Charlie Fisher travel back in time. Toby!Charlie sets up Warren!Charlie. (Causality Loop)

8. "Self-Made Man." A T-888, planning to travel to 2010, ends up in 1920 instead, killing someone who was supposed to build the site his mission was to be accomplished in. He goes on to ensure that the site is built after all. (????)
I see a couple ways to interpret #8, which gives us particular difficulty because the moment where history may or may not be changed precedes all of the other places history has been changed, and thus presumably negating them.

One answer is to assume that the T-888 always built the tower, and history hasn't been changed. But the question is this: does this continuity loop exist in all the timelines, or just Timeline D?

One of my assumptions in interpreting the show is that the only piece of narrative continuity which has been retconned into oblivion, alongside the flash-forward sequences (and I have no frelling idea which timeline they are supposed to be taking place in), is T3. Or, to put it another way, what we've been watching from the beginning (again, sans T3) is actually some kind of ultimate timeline, a Timeline Z, even if we haven't yet seen the results of backwards time-travel from Timelines D through Y on that timeline, because they fall in John and Sarah's subjective future.

The reason is simple: if we're supposed to assume that, say, T1 (or worse yet, the Pilot) didn't actually take place because history was changed prior to that, then the strangers we are watching now have no background and there's no reason we should care about them.

Thus, while that teenaged Sarah Connor was waiting tables, was that T-888 slumbering in that wall? From the perspective of Timeline Z, which is the timeline we've been watching the whole time (except in T3), the answer is clearly yes, assuming this continuity won't be reset-buttoned the way T3 was. (Such a move would be cruel trick and would, IMO, constitute jumping the shark.) That doesn't mean we can't postulate a Timeline A where Sarah existed but the T-888 didn't, of course. (Or even a timeline to the left of Timeline A where Sarah never existed at all, but was brought actually into being when Marty McFly changed history. Or something.) Which timeline are we watching when we watch T1? Possibly both; in terms of what we are watching when we see T1, the machine in the wall is pretty much just a Schrodinger's cat.

If we want to assume that the T-888 in the wall did change history, I think we can handle it in a similar way--but the future the T-888 came from would have to, I think, be to the left of Timeline A.

If we postulate a Timeline A where the T-888 is not in the wall, which contains the seeds of its own self-destruction and leads into Timeline B in the ordinary way, and so on until we get to D, what happens if only then Skynet decides to put the pieces in place for the T-888 in the wall?

The effects of Timelines A through C (including John, Cameron, and Derek) would be wiped out, it seems to me. But assuming that the T-888 succeeds in changing history only slightly, the new Timeline E would be more or less identical to Timeline A--in fact, it would be our Timeline A, with the postulated timelines without T-888's in the wall existing to the left of Timeline A on our chart.

My other concern is Jessie's concern that if Cameron gets to know John (in the present), she'll pose an even danger than Cameron did in the future Jessie came from. Of course, this makes no sense: the chart shows that Jessie has to come from a timeline ("D") where John already knew Cameron as a teenager. Of course, Jessie doesn't necessarily need to know that, and her concern still makes sense: maybe in her timeline, John never re-activated Cameron during the second season premiere.
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2008-02-18 09:11 pm

"There is no fate but what we make"?

Are the spoilers for tonight's SCC ) supposed to be taking place in the future Cameron remembers (her subjective past) or the new future which exists in the timeline Cameron created by taking Sarah into the future and not having her die of cancer? I missed last week's episode and I'm so confused.

more spoilers )

I have to say, they're certainly doing a good job of keeping the intensity. That was a really good episode of television. I just hope they're managing to have it make sense while they do it.
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2006-09-06 10:36 pm

"I serve the Comte de Masoch," he said, as he spammed their flists.

Masochist, noun. A canon whore in X-Men movieverse fandom.

1. How old is Kitty Pryde? What does she look like? And why the frell is she an X-Man? (In the sense of being on the team, that is. I love Kitty, but there is absolutely no explanation given.)

2. Since we see Hank with non-blue skin in X2, the secondary stage of his mutation must have set in some time while Jean was dead, right? So his reaction to his response to Leach is one to being returned to a state he very recently held, right? Which raises the question, when did he become in charge of Mutant Affairs? I had the impression he was "closeted" during X2, but that might not be canon--we don't see him long enough to base many conclusions upon his scene (if you can call it that).

3. In X3, we have four distinct "times." If I remember correctly, they are: thirty years "ago", twenty years "ago", the not-too-distant "future", and the narrative "now" against which the other times are being measured ("our" past, "our" future). So Jean's age is her age in the flashback (early teens?) + twenty/thirty years (I forget which flashback was which) + the difference between "now" and the not-too distant future. Warren's age, same deal. Right?
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2006-07-07 09:59 pm

WTF? It's nightime?

Okay, flist, what day is it? Because I remember going to bed and waking up--or at least I think I do (and I don't really know what the distinction is there, or if perhaps "I remember" is incorrigible--can I be mistaken about what I remember?--have I been reading too much Austin lately?)--only my computer says its ten p.m. instead of ten in the morning like I thought and that would explain why it's so dark outside and why they're setting fireworks off, and I'm just so confused.

Okay, maybe I was only asleep for fifteen minutes and thought I was asleep for the entire night? And didn't turn off my alarm half-asleep, like I thought, because it in fact didn't go off? I guess that makes sense, and means I didn't skip my morning walk. So hoorah, I guess.

I suppose that means I should go to bed now. But I don't exactly feel tired.

Wait. Did I feed the dog? Wait. Did I feed me? I don't remember eating dinner. I don't remember Friday evening at all.

*thinks*

Okay. Here's what I think happened: I think I took a nap after work, then woke up at 9pm thinking it was 9am Saturday when it was actually 9pm Friday. And when I was feeding the cats breakfast (I thought), I was actually giving them their dinner. That would explain it still being, you know, yesterday. And the fireworks are probably from a Riversharks game, because they have fireworks on Fridays. That makes sense. But I'm all disoriented now.

I'm going to go feed the dog now.

ETA: The other possibility is, of course, that I fell in a time loop and it is indeed my yesterday.

Which reminds me of my one other "sleeping time loop" story, which takes place in the beautiful town of Salzburg, Austria. My roommate and I (this was the semester abroad in London) had just flown in, and of course we changed our watches on the plane, setting them forward an hour. If either of us made a mistake and set it in the wrong direction, he would have set it back an hour.

We went to our hostel and, as we had been up all night (as our plane left Stanstead Airport at some ungodly hour in the morning and the transportation wouldn't be running yet, so we had to stay at the hospital overnight, keeping ourselves awake by doing our reading for classes), we immediately took a nap.

When we woke up, both of our watches were an hour ahead of everyone else's. That's two hours ahead of Greenwich Mean Time--a mistake either one of us would be unlikely to make when resetting our watches, yet alone both of us.

The only reasonable explanation, then, is of course that space aliens stopped time, experimented on us for an hour while we were sleeping, then returned us to the time from which they took us.

ETA2: Okay, I've fed the dog and fed myself. My grandmother's turkey soup, of which I still had some leftovers in the fridge, so yum. Isn't there supposed to be some chemical in turkey which makes one sleepy? Hopefully it'll help me get back to sleep, and when I wake up in the morning--the actual morning--everything will be straightened out.

See you on the flip side, flist.

Again.
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2006-05-27 11:49 pm

DW Question That Has Been Bothering Me Forever

Consider these two facts:

1) In all of New Who, we have not seen any Time Lord other than the Doctor. This is despite the fact that all the Time Lords were time travellers (or at least had the potential to be; presumably some of them stayed home and raised families and didn't go gallivanting through time). As a result of his ending the Time War by wiping out both the Time Lords and the Daleks (or so he thought), the Time Lords no longer have any influence over time and space, because they don't exist anymore. The Doctor is the last of the Timelords. In order for all this to be true, it is necessary that not only do they no longer exist but, in the new altered timestream brought about by the Doctor's actions, they never existed to begin with.

2) Civilizations within linear time remember the Time Lords. Jabe, Mr. Finch, Margaret?

Both of these facts are clearly canon, but I cannot for my life figure out how to reconcile them. They seem like they should be mutually contradictory; if 1 is true then 2 should be false, and vice versa. I understand that Who likes to play fast and loose with temporal mechanics, making stuff up as they go along, and in principle I approve, but this paradox seems to be so glaring that I just can't get past it. Yet there has to be some way to fanwank it, and I wouldn't be surprised if those more involved in the fandom than I am have already come up with some sort of answer. Any ideas?
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2005-10-16 09:22 am

Weekend Recap, Causality Loops, and Rec

Changed my journal name from "Postmodern Crisis" to "The Tradescan Codex" in honor of my favourite leitmotif/macguffin, that prophetic text that seems to affect every aspect of the Scoobies' lives in my Watcher!verse (and even some of my non-Watcher!verse fics). I love it, for the damned book brings them all so much pain, yet none of them can bring themselves to stop reading, knowing they need to prepare for the next tragedy. Hopefuly my journal won't be like that for you.

[livejournal.com profile] iluvmycaptain seems to be in business *knock on wood*, steady but surely. I know there's not a huge output of Mal/Kaylee or a huge number of Mal/Kaylee shippers, but those who existed seem to know about and be using the comm as a resource, and that makes me happy. Mal/Kaylee now has an entrenched position on the web and, if I may be egotistical for a second, it's all because of me.

I've certainly been busy this weekend. For those who didn't notice, I've joined [livejournal.com profile] fanfic100 with Lydia from Buffy as my character. I love seeing her name up there next to the main characters and the major recurring characters, as if she had been in more than two episodes. Anyway, I've reclassified Shopping on Oxford Street and Watcher's Burden as part of what I've already begun to call The Watcher's Diary of Lydia Chalmers.

I've already begun to cannibalize my Drusilla WIP Windows of My Soul to create a couple of Lydia ficlets: The End of an Age and Critique of Judgment I. The former of these made it onto [livejournal.com profile] su_herald without my self-pimping it; I don't know what that means (probably nothing), but it made me smile.

Speaking of cannibalizing Windows of My Soul (it'll be stronger for it in the end, I promise!) I also posted A History of Violence, a Spike/Dru piece set in 1942 Germany, after Spike leaves the submarine from "Why We Fight." The fic seems to have been very warmly received--who could complain about these especially warm reviews over at the Slayer's Fanfic Archive?

I feel better for "wasting" my weekend online. I've been feeling listless lately, overcome by paralyzing fear as regards both my academic work and even more so my graduate applications. So I haven't been able to write fic, but somehow I now feel even more directionless without fanfiction. You guys might just be keeping me sane right now, and I joined [livejournal.com profile] fanfic100 with that in mind. Hopefully the next round of [livejournal.com profile] femslash_minis will center on a character I can actually write.

And I didn't spend my entire weekend online, I went to see 12 Monkeys with the campus philosophy club. It took me almost an hour afterwards to explain why there is no logical error involved in the concept of a causality loop (the "T1" scenario). The causality loop itself is uncaused (or rather caused by itself), but all of its component elements are causally co-determined; it's a feature of the universe. And I'm sure I don't need to explain my reasoning to y'all, many of whom are hardly science fiction neophytes, but it annoyed me that we ended up getting so caught up in what to me seems so elementary. I've revised my notion that discussion of causal loops isn't "real" philosophy--there are a lot of metaphysical assumptions that inevitably come into play--but still, there were other philosophical places we could have went, like the epistemological issues. (It's difficult for a movie to raise real metaphysical issues. Movies like The Matrix and The Truman Show gesture in the direction, but they can't really problematize reality itself--because one cannot cinematically show non-reality. What they can do, however, and do well is problematize our knowledge of reality, without ever really managing to challenge our conviction that some type of noumenal or "objective" reality undergirds it all.) Or I could throw out some real temporal paradoxes, instead of the pseudoparadox presented by a causality loop. Equally, there's no reason "why" temporal paradoxes don't exist--why we don't kill our grandparents--but we can tell from the fact that we exist that they don't. It's simply a feature of the universe.

And speaking of causality loops, if any of my flisters haven't read Robert A. Heinlein's "--All You Zombies--" do so. Now. There's an online version at the link. Not exactly easy on the eyes, but it's so worth it. All hail the dean of science fiction.

Trust me. And if one needs it, or even if one doesn't (it's cool) there's an explanatory graphic "timeline" here.

ETA: Okay, whoever transcribed that story? Really needs to learn how to use quotation marks. *shudder* This story is just as good as the second time I read it (nothing ever competes with the first), but reading it through slash goggles is amusing. I mean, come on, it's time-travelling mpreg! (Well, not really.)

But this line?: He had a lethal style of infighting, like a female cop - reason I wanted him. Not the only one. Slashtastic.

Yeah. He has the hots for spoiler )