Indeed, they do, and there are such conservatives actively supporting the ACLU, even if they don't fit in with the percieved liberal mindset of the organization
I'm not sure how that fits with: The ACLU perhaps only "represents" a certain liberal mentality, but it serves "all" American citizens, e.g. it has defended conservative Christians in court, based on the ideals it does represent
(To put this in context: I'm not american. My understanding of both the ALCU and your local brand of conservatives is based mostly on tv and metafandom etc, so I have probably just missed your point :))
As far as I can tell: The ALCU defends civil liberties. Anyone who agrees with that stance is welcome to join and get involved, whether or not they are otherwise liberal. But since most of the people who are in favour of civil liberties in general (rather than just their own) are liberals, the organisation has a fairly liberal slant.
In contrast: OTW defends transformative works. Anyone who agrees with that stance is welcome to join and get involved, whether or not they are into fanfic etc as long as they see fandom as a female space. Most of the people who have started the OTW are female and into fanfic, so it has a female/fanfic focus, even though transformative fandoms in general are not primarily female and fanfic is just one of many types of transformative work.
I expect the female meta/fanfiction community to remain at the center of the org
Why? If this is the organisation for all transformative works, why can't (possibly male) people from very-far-from-fanfic-fandom end up dominating? There's an awful lot of them. And if they are explicitly made second class citizens, how is that fair? Why do fanfic writers get more power than AMV makers? What about male fanfic writers and female AMV makers? Do they have to pretend that AMV making is a "female space" to be allowed in?
See, the organisation being feminist I am 100% behind, even if 90% of it's membership end up being male, because like you I think every organisation should be feminist. But that's not the same as being a female space, and that phrase to me has implications which are only tangentially related to gender.
The reason this matters to me is that while I may read fanfic and hang about with fanfic/metafandomy types, pretty much all of the "transformative works" I create are not part of this fanficcy community, and mostly come from male dominated places (e.g. skeletor_hordak). As far as I can tell, that makes me a second class citizen in the OTW hierarchy, but in a really passive vague "Oh of course you're welcome..but not really" sort of way, and I'd rather know where I stood.
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Date: 2008-01-14 11:54 am (UTC)I'm not sure how that fits with:
The ACLU perhaps only "represents" a certain liberal mentality, but it serves "all" American citizens, e.g. it has defended conservative Christians in court, based on the ideals it does represent
(To put this in context: I'm not american. My understanding of both the ALCU and your local brand of conservatives is based mostly on tv and metafandom etc, so I have probably just missed your point :))
As far as I can tell: The ALCU defends civil liberties. Anyone who agrees with that stance is welcome to join and get involved, whether or not they are otherwise liberal. But since most of the people who are in favour of civil liberties in general (rather than just their own) are liberals, the organisation has a fairly liberal slant.
In contrast: OTW defends transformative works. Anyone who agrees with that stance is welcome to join and get involved, whether or not they are into fanfic etc as long as they see fandom as a female space. Most of the people who have started the OTW are female and into fanfic, so it has a female/fanfic focus, even though transformative fandoms in general are not primarily female and fanfic is just one of many types of transformative work.
I expect the female meta/fanfiction community to remain at the center of the org
Why? If this is the organisation for all transformative works, why can't (possibly male) people from very-far-from-fanfic-fandom end up dominating? There's an awful lot of them. And if they are explicitly made second class citizens, how is that fair? Why do fanfic writers get more power than AMV makers? What about male fanfic writers and female AMV makers? Do they have to pretend that AMV making is a "female space" to be allowed in?
See, the organisation being feminist I am 100% behind, even if 90% of it's membership end up being male, because like you I think every organisation should be feminist. But that's not the same as being a female space, and that phrase to me has implications which are only tangentially related to gender.
The reason this matters to me is that while I may read fanfic and hang about with fanfic/metafandomy types, pretty much all of the "transformative works" I create are not part of this fanficcy community, and mostly come from male dominated places (e.g.