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Date: 2008-02-28 01:36 am (UTC)
The impression I get is that John started out working class, then worked his way up to middle-class, first by going into the Marines, then by owning his business.

I agree up to a point, but because of that, I don't really think the boys grew up as middle class or that they think middle-class.

I also think there's a definite class divide between blue-collar and white-collar and that John never crossed it. Whether you want to say blue-collar can be middle class or not I suppose is what I'm really arguing about.
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