I can see my Dawn and Giles ordering the illegal wiretaps that Bush ordered. I can also see them ordering the experimental testing of the Pax virus on Miranda. I can see them giving the order for (what I call) Project Pandora, to cut into River's brain and make her an assassin. The fact that they could do these things and still believe in a more perfect society, that they were doing what they were doing to protect humans, that is what makes them endlessly fascinating to me.
Your Dawn perhaps, but I'm less sure about Giles as of the end of S7(1). Yes Giles killed Ben, but that was one person, arguably with not much quality of life up ahead for him. There was no guarantee that Glory wouldn't take him over again, nor do we know exactly what state his body was in at that point (other than in need of medical and possibly surgical intervention). So I'd almost count that as euthanasia, even if it's more of a 'rabid dog approach than a 'beloved pet dying painfully from cancer' approach. I can't see Giles carrying out illegal/immoral activities on a big bunch of people, and I can't see him ordering others to do so, and the River example is going beyond anything slayers are put through, so I can't see him being happy with that. Of course if River's madness was an unexpected/unpredicted consequence that hadn't occurred in experimental mdels and previous cases, then that's a different matter again.
If you want to take this to email at some point when I'm not supposed to be working, I can go over a few more examples, some of which relate to my own story ideas.
Gina
(1)I have my doubts about how much Giles had to do with what Andrew was telling people in Angel S5, and so don't count any of that towards my impressions of canon Giles. Plus W&H=evil therefore that gave Giles every reason not to be seen to be dealing with Angel's crew at that point. Maybe I should watch that season again and come up with a comprehensive theory on the subject.
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Date: 2006-01-26 11:07 am (UTC)Your Dawn perhaps, but I'm less sure about Giles as of the end of S7(1). Yes Giles killed Ben, but that was one person, arguably with not much quality of life up ahead for him. There was no guarantee that Glory wouldn't take him over again, nor do we know exactly what state his body was in at that point (other than in need of medical and possibly surgical intervention). So I'd almost count that as euthanasia, even if it's more of a 'rabid dog approach than a 'beloved pet dying painfully from cancer' approach. I can't see Giles carrying out illegal/immoral activities on a big bunch of people, and I can't see him ordering others to do so, and the River example is going beyond anything slayers are put through, so I can't see him being happy with that. Of course if River's madness was an unexpected/unpredicted consequence that hadn't occurred in experimental mdels and previous cases, then that's a different matter again.
If you want to take this to email at some point when I'm not supposed to be working, I can go over a few more examples, some of which relate to my own story ideas.
Gina
(1)I have my doubts about how much Giles had to do with what Andrew was telling people in Angel S5, and so don't count any of that towards my impressions of canon Giles. Plus W&H=evil therefore that gave Giles every reason not to be seen to be dealing with Angel's crew at that point. Maybe I should watch that season again and come up with a comprehensive theory on the subject.