alixtii: Player from <i>Where on Earth Is Carmen Sandiego?</i> playing the game. (Default)
This post by [livejournal.com profile] kattahj made me think about the intersection of racism and classism in deciding who gets written in fanfiction. Now, of course I think it is silly to say that "it is really just about class" or "it's really just about race"; the two work intersectionally in complicated ways. But if we agree with [livejournal.com profile] kattahj that CoC's are more likely to get written if they aren't coded as working class (and I've come to this conclusion about my own writing already long ago) then it'd be interesting to see if we tend not to write working-class white characters in the same way.

I'm not including the crew of Serenity at all in this analysis, since they exist within a completely constructed fictional socio-economic system created precisely for the purpose of making the main cast's lives seem interesting, but I think we certainly do respond differently to Simon than, say, Jayne (in my part, with identification with the former and almost complete disinterest with the latter). The Weasley family, were I even to know enough Harry Potter canon to speak intelligently about them, would probably be set apart under the same logic. Similarly, I'm not including vampires or other characters that are unable to participate in the normal socioeconomic structures because they are set apart as nonhuman.

I don't tend to watch shows with a lot of working-class characters, since they are less likely to provide me the type of wish-fulfillment I'm looking for in my entertainment (which is precisely the kind of dynamic I'm talking about here), so, um . . . it's a rather short list. Please help me add to it!

Notes
By "class" I mean the sociological something-or-other (I'm much less versed in class theory than I am in gender, queer, or even race theory) which is the cumulative result of economic status and a complex system of social markers (occupation, neighborhood of residence, accent, speech patterns, education, circle of friends, etc.). I'm assuming that fandom could[n't] care less what Rupert Giles' salary as a Watcher was, but that his education and breadth of knowledge make him attractive to write; Buffy's ability to quote Sartre and Arthur Miller seemingly without effort disqualifies her from being working-class. (And yes, this assumption is itself classist in fascinating and disturbing ways, ways which I wish I knew enough class theory to be able to problematize further.)

I'm taking it for granted that our source canons deal horribly with class issues (as they do with racial ones), but that there are objectively interesting working-class characters in our canons (in the way that there are interesting female characters and interesting characters of color).

Nonwhite racial cultures are (almost?) automatically coded as working-class. I feel this is important to mention despite the fact that since all of these characters are white, it doesn't apply to any of them. But this is a reason why even if classism seems a sufficient explanation for why working-class characters of color get written less, that classism would still in all probability be racially-motivated. The way we construct the class structure is itself racist.

Feel free to criticize any of my assumptions in the comments; I'm in over my head here.

Okay, now let's get to the list. . . .

Faith
It certainly cannot be argued that Faith does not get written in Buffy fandom, especially concerning her status as only being a recurring character to has nowhere near the screentime of an Anya or Tara. Now part of this just down to Eliza Dushku being Eliza Dushku. But if we look at her character, what do we see? A character whose working-class coding and Slayerness are so caught up in each other that they interact in interesting ways. While at the beginning of her arc Faith is living her life in a run-down motel, her Slaying provides her an outlet to escape from the very beginning, as she manifests the "want, take, have" mentality (she is effectively able to rely on her Slayer capabilities to produce cultural capital), and the overall structure of her story is ultimately one of upward mobility; by "Chosen" she is still coded as working-class in terms of social markers, but she is relatively free of economic concerns and so those social markers are able to be fetishized without playing any meaningful part in the actual life of the character.

Xander Harris
Like Faith, Xander gets a lot of fic. Not much written by me, but in m/m slash fandom I know he's commonly paired with Spike. Angel, and other men.

Now Xander's family is coded as poor and in some ways working-class (and this is uniformly portrayed as a negative), but I'd argue that while Xander is made to materially feel the effect of his family lower economic status, he is always coded as firmly middle-class in terms of social markers. As a geek figure, he is an easy and deliberate audience identification figure, and speaks a language which is coded in many ways as middle-class white male. Note also that like Faith he is upwardly mobile; by the end of the series he is, however implausible, solidly middle-class in terms of not only social but also economic indices.

Cindy Mackenzie
When Mac was introduced, her class issues dominated her character: she was the perpetrator of an elaborate con in an attempt to get back at the rich kids and to get money for a new car which she desperately needed. Then the show itself went on to seriously drop the ball on these issues, never bringing up money in regard to Mac again, focusing only on her solidly-coded-middle-class computer skills, having her date an 09er, and show up at college without a word as to how she was paying for it. Mac gets a decent amount of fic, being involved in several popular het and femslash pairings.

Veronica Mars
Everything above for Mac goes double for Veronica. Veronica was never meaningfully coded as lower-class, as she spent her childhood as a honorary 02er. As the eponymous character, she features in a large share of VMars fic.

Rose Tyler
Obviously, there is a whole lot of Rose fic, by virtue of her being the female lead of the first two seasons of new Who. Just as obviously, Rose is freed from the constraints of her working-class life when the Doctor rescues her from the shop where she works while retaining several of the relevant social markers (her accent being the most obvious, I believe? British culture is not my specialty).

Jackie Tyler
I don't know how the fic writers respond to Jackie, who unlike Rose maintains her class identification until the very very end (when she and alt!Pete get together). Obviously she is written less than Rose, but exactly how much so I have no clue.

Dean and Sam Winchester
I don't watch this show, and thus don't know anything about them (except that Sam makes a really hot girl--I do read the genderswap). I know, of course, that there's a massive amount of fic written about them.

Kendra, Normal, Sketchy, and Other Dark Angel Characters
Do these even get written at all? I'm not really familiar with the fandom, but my impression that the main white characters to get written were Logan--obviously not working-class--and Jensen's character (who probably falls under the nonhuman exemption). Lydeker's not exactly working-class either (although his coding is rather complicated).

Conclusion (tentative since the preliminary sample size is so small)
There does seem to be some interest in working with characters who still carry the social markers of a working-class identity, as in the cases of Faith and Rose Tyler. (How deep and accurate these social markers are, both in the source text and in fic, is a question I am not qualified to answer, although I think there are meaningful ways that both characters do begin to act in accord with a middle-class ideal as they become upwardly mobile economically.) Re-reading the comments to my March 2007 post linked above, it seems fandom is perfectly willing to play with characters who are coded as working-class in what [livejournal.com profile] heyiya calls a UK discourse of class, in which "class is experienced as written and performed in the body," but less eager to do so according to what she calls the American discourse in which class is more closely linked to cultural capacity and thus "is experienced as mobile: you get educated, you become middle class." (I'm condensing a lot of thought here; [livejournal.com profile] heyiya, is there something crucial I've missed or misrepresented?)

I do think that fandom is less likely to write working-class characters, in general, than middle-class (and upper-class) characters. My intellectual and emotional responses to how problematic this is are somewhat in contradiction.

Even if the true nature of their working-class status is in dispute, it does seem that enough working-class white characters do get written to be able to say that they get written more often than working-class characters of color, and thus classism in fandom is not a sufficient explanation for why working-class characters of color are not written as much as one would otherwise expect. This conclusion shocks approximately no one.
alixtii: The groupies from Dr. Horrible. (meta)
There is a claim I've seen being made a lot lately, in a lot of different places (but part of the same overall argument) by different people, that if a word applies to everything it becomes meaningless. Can anyone explain this claim to me?

If I say "everything is made up of atoms" does that mean "made up of atoms" is a meaningless category?

I remember having a conversation on the OTW FAQ and the language it uses, referring to what I would call source texts as "original works" and thus inadvertently imply intentionality which isn't truly there in the case of many RPF canons, in the comments of this post, with [livejournal.com profile] jadelennox, in which she said:
The jargon term "text" encompasses the idea that all objects, experiences, encounters, etc. are analyzable under the same lens is we would use to analyze the non-jargon "texts". There really isn't any jargon-free way to say "I mean everything in the world, except everything in the world from the point of view that you can look at everything in the world as a text". I'm not even explaining it well when I try to translate it into a whole lot of English words. *shakes tiny fist*
Is the "except [. . .] from the point of view that you can look at everything in the world as a text" part of her definition really lacking any semantic content?

If I say everything is about sex, or the death-drive, or the means of production, or the will-to-power, am I making meaningless statements?

If everything is X then, a) that may say something meaningful about the state of everything, and b) that doesn't eliminate the possibility that some things are more X than others, closer to the center of the conceptual web, less problematically X, while others lurk in the fuzzy boundaries.

Or am I just insane?
alixtii: Peter and Susan, in extreme close-up. (incest)

There is no fic (or, fandom being fandom, there probably is) in which Buffy masturbates about no one in particular, gets off, and is satisfied. There is no conflict, no interest for anyone but Buffy. It's fun to visualize, yes, but to write about?

This is how I've felt every time I sat down to write Cuckoocest. There is a scene in Time Enough for Love in which Laz and Lor, who are both clones of Lazarus Long in every respect except for being xx instead of xy, claim that a sex act between the three of them would be masturbation, not incest. I don't think Lazarus ever really believed that claim, despite ultimately giving into the twins' demands. (No man can resist Laz and Lor.)

But the Cuckoos are not only clones of each other (using the term "clone" loosely, as Marvel does; it's unclear how much genetic material they share with each other or with Emma), they are telepathic with  each other, often demonstrating a hive mind. Cuckoocest--the Five- or Four- or Three-in-One having sex with itself--is masturbation in a way that normal incest or even clonecest is clearly not.

It's clearly psychoanalytic: Cuckoocest allows for a sexual unification which is at one, quite literally, Self and Other. It is sexual energy directed inward, but at the same time directed at a separate body.

This particular psychoanalytic setup is unique to telepathic 'cest--other than the Cuckoos, the only siblings eligible for this that I can think of off the top of my head are the Witch Mountain kids (either the original or the remake, the latter of which much more explicitly sexualizes the sister)--but the overall setup applies to most 'cest kinks, I think. 'Cesty romance represents an ideal of intimacy assumed to be unreachable by normal romance. Again, I think there is something rather psychoanalytic about that (rather frelled-up) assumption: wives are for lusting after, sisters are for loving, and 'cest is a reunion of the two roles in an overcoming of the whore/madonna dichotomy.

But I like fluffy 'cest. And you might have noticed that I can't write fluff. I enjoy reading it sometimes, but my mind shuts down when I try to write; my main attempts are good fics but not quite in the 'shippy way they were intended to be. I made them work by shifting the focus away from the relationship itself to something else.

There are pairings which, from their canon characterizations, could never be comfortable with their 'cestasticness: Marscest and most brands of Summerscest fit here, I think. But there are also fics where the taboo would be less strongly felt: Laz/Lor (which is basically canon), Annie/Hallie, Cuckoocest, Val/Ender (Val/Peter would be unhappy but for reasons other than the 'cestiness). And while there is much pleasure brought to me by imagining their 'cest, I can't find a way to write about it.

. . .

I notebooked the above passage on the train yesterday. Then I went on to write 200+ words of Annie/Hallie, which I just posted (after making a new offline backup of my LJ, just in case), and about a thousand words of Cuckoocest. The Cuckoocest is PWP; I'm still convinced that it must be PWP, because of the always-already nature of the pairing. No plot is possible. I don't think it is (I hope it isn't) just many many pages of anatomical description; I did my best to capitalize upon the tension between Self and Other discussed above. If someone wants to beta it for me, however, I'd be much obliged; not only because I'm not sure it worked, but also because I'm not a girl, and I think we've well established that femslash is about--perhaps not lesbian sex as such, but--female sexuality in a way that m/m slash is not about male sexuality.

Mini-Rant

Feb. 19th, 2008 09:45 pm
alixtii: The groupies from Dr. Horrible. (meta)
Why can't people distinguish describing a discourse and ascribing intentionality to those taking part in the discourse? To use a completely neutral example, if I say "All welcome mats are really about chicken beheadings," I don't mean "Everyone with a welcome mat is necessarily thinking about chicken beheadings." Indeed, it may be the case that no one with a welcome mat is thinking about chicken beheadings. That doesn't eliminate the possibility that the overall welcome mat discourse is linked in some way to the cutting off of chicken heads.

To reduce a discourse to the intentions of its participants is to eliminate the entire need for the disciplines of psychology and sociology, not to mention literary analysis, critical theory, and the various interdisciplinary approaches (feminist theory, queer theory, post-colonial theory, etc.).

You are not the discourse. I am not the discourse. We aren't even the discourse. We produce the discourse, and are constituted within it. There's a difference, no?
alixtii: Player from <i>Where on Earth Is Carmen Sandiego?</i> playing the game. (Default)
I came across a thoughtful [livejournal.com profile] metafandomed post here, on celebrities, constructs, and real people, that has me thinking. [livejournal.com profile] matociquala says:
The reason that works, of course, is because the celebrities (loosely so termed) that one knows on the internet are suddenly real people. They're not constructs anymore. Jonathan Coulton isn't a construct to me, the way Bono (to use the example quoted above) is. Jonathan Coulton is some guy on the internets, whose work I really like. Tom Smith ([livejournal.com profile] filkertom) used to be a construct to me: I only knew his work through recordings, and I was a big fan. And yanno, then I met him online and at Penguicon, and now he's just some super-talented guy I know, who is also funny. Wil Wheaton is the classic example of this: I keep forgetting he's also a talented actor, because I think of him as one of the best bloggers on my daily information rounds.

And you know what? I like that. I don't want to be a construct. I want to be some guy you know on the internets who tells stories.
But I have to admit that I don't see how the two can be mutually exclusive, how a guy one knows on the internet telling stories isn't always-already a construct too. I mean, [livejournal.com profile] ladyphoenixmage is my best friend, and I've known her at least since I was twelve. But I don't have knowledge of who she is, what she likes and dislikes, beamed into my head. (I sort of wish I did; it would make buying a Christmas present a lot easier.) Instead, I know things about her the same way I know things about Summer Glau; sense-data impresses itself upon my consciousness, and my mind tries to create a meaningful pattern out of that data. It constructs a friend-function, just like I construct an author-function when I read a literary text. And sometimes (frequently!) my construction of the friend-function proves to be inadequate; a new piece of canon comes along (i.e. she says or does something I don't expect) and I have re-construct the function to fit it. Yes, I'm saying that my interactions with my best friend are basically RPF canon.

[livejournal.com profile] matociquala  goes on to say that:
But fame, the kind of fame that separates famous people from the hoi polloi, as it were, is a funny thing. Not only does it turn the famous person into a construct, it turns them into a slate that the fan can project all sorts of things into. How often have you gotten disappointed at a celebrity because her political views weren't what you thought they should be? I know I have. And damn, you know. Why do I think I get to do that? I don't pay Claudia Black to have her politics match mine. I pay her to kick ass in tight pants. Let's be honest here.
I don't feel like I completely get the argument here, especially the part about politics. (I get to be disappointed in someone who holds views I think are damaging to the world society. Politics aren't like aesthetics; the claims are normative, and some people are wrong.) But I'm more interested in the way that being turned "into a slate that the fan can project all sorts of things into" is presented. Because it seems to me like it is being presented as a bad thing. Which is interesting not only because it assumes that we have a choice, that we can approach a human being other than in that that way, but also that if we have a choice, then the other way (whatever it would be) would be superior. And . . . I'm not sure what the logic is there.

I've most often seen this type of "Viewing people as constructs is bad" claim in RPF arguments, since the entire point of RPF is to treat the real person as a floating signifier and see how one can manipulate that. And I've seen the attitude that treating a real person like this is disrespectful or damaging or just plain wrong. Indeed this seems to be the subtext between most if not all anti-RPF arguments. "How would you feel if someone did it to you?"

And I don't get it. Life is a text; the processes we implement to interpret it are, on some level, literary analysis. We get to respond to it in the form of fanfiction as much as we do any other text, to create genderswap incest slavefic AUs.

I've had conversations with people who held views like this. Most often, they ended up retreating into metaphysics, into some notion of having "real knowledge" which couldn't be explained in terms of cognitive processes, as if being able to touch someone (these people tended to have a dim view of the reality of online relationships) or exchange words with them provided some mystical insight into who that person "really was." Which is hogwash. I don't have any access to who somebody "really is" any more than I have access to the Platonic form of justice sitting in its Platonic heaven. Rather, I have my experiences of my interactions with them, experiences for which I am grateful (since I tend to like most people I know).

I mean, I like Summer Glau. And one of the reasons I like Summer Glau is because I've watched interviews she's made on YouTube and listened to commentaries she's made and thus I know she's adorable. Before that, she was merely the actress who played River and I was actually attracted to River but not to Summer, because Summer wasn't River and I wasn't yet invested in Summer as Summer. She was, in a strange way, a floating signified; I knew there was a woman named Summer Glau existing in the world out there who played River, but I didn't have enough signifiers to manipulate in order to construct a Summer-function. And now I manipulate that Summer-function gleefully, imagining and re-imagining (say) her relationship with Joss Whedon, even though I know my Summer-function is a fictional character, a floating signifier, with tenuous connection to the "real" Summer, whoever or whatever she may be. (Maybe she's a robot! Or an alien!) 

But that's the thing: that's this weird psychological trick of displacement and transference, where you take somebody you don't know and you attach all this emotion to them. And it's harder to do that with somebody who's just this guy you know on the internets than somebody who is a princess in a tower.
I'm having a hard time making sense of this claim at all. It just seems demonstrably false; of course I have a lot more emotion invested in [livejournal.com profile] ladyphoenixmage than I do in Summer Glau, and it seems weird to argue that I wouldn't or that I couldn't or that I shouldn't.
alixtii: Mary Magdalene washing the face of Jesus of Nazareth, from the film production of Jesus Christ Superstar. (religion)
This is not a post defending the Organization for Transformative Works (a fan-run pro-fanfic nonprofit organization, if you're out of the loop). The OTW should be quite thankful about that fact, because frankly the OTW doesn't want me (or, more accurately, shouldn't want me) defending them. I'm a crap apologist, because I'm an intellectual radical and I can't hide that fact to save my life, even if I'm arguing with my brother over who should do the dishes, because the reason he can't see why he should do them is totally because he's operating under a correspondence theory of truth (without knowing it) when he should be going for standpoint epistemology, or some such. A conversation about evangelical Christianity's stance on homosexuality inevitably becomes one about whether there was a historical Jesus of Nazareth. And so on.

And God help me, I hadn't even finished the first paragraph of this post and I've already invoked Sandra Harding. Other than the fact that I am male, I am in some ways exactly the sort of academic (though, truly, I'm not really, as I'm only a grad student, and a just starting one at that) that OTW's critics see lurking behind every corner of the org. So the OTW really shouldn't want me defending them.

So I'm not going to defend the OTW. I'm not even sure I want to; if you go to the original post(s?) in [livejournal.com profile] astolat's journal, you'll find me there (naturally), offering up criticisms of the project from the get-go and providing my reservations. (I will say that what comforts me more than anything else is the knowledge that the new archive will be run on open-source software. The OTW's goal is not to hegemonize and never was--and if they end up deciding they can't or won't host chan, somebody else will be able to use the code to do so. Same for having underaged readers.)

Okay, I've gone on for three paragraphs about what I'm not doing, and this is the fourth. What I will do in this post is respond to certain elements of the discussion that has arisen over the Organization for Transformative works and give my perspective on a couple of issues and why I think my view is the correct one.

No one who knows me will be surprised that the main conversation with which I'm concerned is the one over the gender issue--the claim, seemingly based on a single line in its mission statement, "We value our identity as a predominantly female community with a rich history of creativity and commentary"--that the OTW is sexist, excludes men, or cetera. Now the org has been remarkably (and to me, frustratingly) inclusive in its response to said criticism. The official part line on the "female identity" line is that it is a reference to a historically true fact which is thus ideologically neutral.

The OTW has not trotted out feminist theory and explained in those terms why its positions are correct and necessary, which you would think thy would do if the entire project is composed only of acafans (as some have claimed). Instead, it has done its best to present its mission statement in a way which would be palatable to people who hold a number of differing ideologies, even if some of those ideologies are from a certain perspective (i.e., mine) wrong. They'd make very good Episcopalians, I think.

I told you I'm a crap apologist; I can't leave it at that. Maybe the line in the mission statement is ideologically neutral, maybe it isn't. I don't think it matters, because there is a correct ideological position from which perspective the line is appropriate.

If we remember back to the major race discussions which took place a few months ago originating in the Stargate Atlantis fandom and then spreading like wildfire through my flist, we'll remember [livejournal.com profile] hederahelix's eloquent advocacy of the definition of systemic injustice as the intersection of discrimination and power:
oppression is never just the action of individuals )
Sexism is a systemic superstructure of male privilege, and it exists in the world. I have been the recipient of that privilege, and fandom has helped me to understand in some small part what it feels to not have it (something for which I am eternally grateful). Resistant measures intended to combat the overarching superstructure are not sexist. Thus the OTW could be excluding men and that would be okay.

The question is not, cannot be, "Would this be just in an already just society?" Putting Supergirl in a short skirt, or giving Powergirl big breasts, would be neutral acts in an already just society: some women wear short skirts and some have big breasts, and that's okay. But we don't live in a just society, and asking what we would do then blinds us to the pattern of oppression these facts form into today. Similarly, some actions are called for today as reactionary measures which would not be appropriate in a feminist utopia. Fandom's female identity is one of these things.

That's the argument OTW doesn't want to make, because not everyone agrees with it, and which of course it doesn't have to make, because they're not excluding men. They're not catering to men, of course, and in a world of rampant male privilege that might be felt as exclusion, as [livejournal.com profile] cereta documents in her post Fandom and Male Privilege. And I know firsthand what that feels like, being male, and it's not fun, especially not at first. But it's not exclusion. The OTW has male members working on its volunteer staff, serving on committees. Its mission statement states that:
IDIC )
While men are certainly welcome (and again, I can say this firsthand), it is simply recognize that in a world where everything else is run by men for men's purposes, this is a female space.

I believe in what Helene Cixous called the laugh of the Medusa: the radical, revisionary possibilities of a community of women writing, especially about sex. I believe that what [livejournal.com profile] cupidsbow calls "amazing outpouring of female talent" in How Fanfiction Makes Us Poor has the power to change the world and is valuable from a feminist perspective. In her post Is Medusa Still Laughing?, [livejournal.com profile] kbusse writes:
AUTHORity, PENis )
Some might argue that OTW shouldn't be a feminist organization. I disagree. I think that every organization should be a feminist organization, and that the OTW is not feminist enough. (This is not a defense, remember?) The Roman Catholic Church should be a feminist organization, although it sadly isn't. The Cato Institute should be a feminist organization. The only reason NAMBLA shouldn't be a feminist organization is that it probably shouldn't exist at all in the first place. There are normative ethics at work here; I am not a relativist.

If you disagree with me on this, I think you're wrong, but I love you anyway. I have had very productive discussions with people on my flist who disagree with me on the role of power in human society. And OTW may still be for you--as I've said, it is way more inclusive of differing points of view that I am, and as in one of my good moods I recognize an organization should and must be if it is going to function. Even if you disagree with the importance of privileging fandom's female identity doesn't take change the coolness of a new archive, journal, or wiki.

This sort of brings me to my second issue, which is the relationship between radical theory (e.g., my feminism) and liberal activism (An Archive of Our Own). For the people who believe that the OTW as an organization is in some ways a betrayal of the anarchic ethos of fandom, I am profoundly sympathetic. Liberalism and radicalism always tend to exist in an uneasy tension with each other, and my temperament is to be a radical. Why radicalism needs liberalism, and vice versa )

OTW as ACLU analogy )
alixtii: Player from <i>Where on Earth Is Carmen Sandiego?</i> playing the game. (Default)
The "plagiarism = use without attribution" meme is going around again, and whenever it does, it really, really bugs me because by that standard Ezra Pound and T.S. Eliot are both plagiarists--and any standard which results in that conclusion is for me a reductio ad absurdum. [livejournal.com profile] miriam_heddy has a good post discussing some of the issues here, but there are some things I want to say myself--mostly, I think, in parallel with her. She writes:
plagiarism is judged by effect )
I'm not 100% sure whether she is writing in her own voice or merely summarizing a certain paradigm; her post is mostly descriptive, analyzing (quite well) the way "plagiarism" functions as a normative concept differently in academia and in fandom. But it doesn't really matter, because it's the paradigm cited above to which I'm going to respond in this moment as I make my extremely prescriptive argument as to what plagiarism is and is not. Under my view, the claim above isn't wrong so much as it is misleading, and (as [livejournal.com profile] miriam_heddy clearly recognizes) parallels issues of author intentionality in general. So I'd accept her use of Fish, but modify it with a use of Foucault (drawing on "What is an Author?").

It's not as simple as "what the author meant" or even "what the reader thinks," but a more complex hybrid: "what the reader thinks the author meant." The author's intentions are very much involved, but only insofar as constructed by the reader, as an author-function. Which was in my mind when I hazarded that perhaps ethics is about constructing a moral-agent function. I say in that post, parenthetically, regarding the then-recent "American President"/[livejournal.com profile] reel_sga wank (ETA: see here, courtesy of [livejournal.com profile] fairestcat), in which large portions of Sorkin dialogue were used in an SGA fusion:
the most damning facts )
In other words, the problem wasn't that they used other texts in their own without citation, but that when people complimented on those specific passages, they didn't say, "Thanks! Eliot really could write couldn't he?" but instead accepted the praise for themselves. That is the dividing line between allusion and plagiarism, I continue to insist.

I've already made it clear I've posted in this issue before; most recently was here, when I linked to this [livejournal.com profile] languagelog post with commentary, which gave the following distinction between plagiarism and allusion (I quoted it even more extensively in my previous post):
subtle line between plagiarism and allusion )
Note the reliance on (a readerly construct of?) authorial intent here; what matters is not whether something is noticed or not noticed but whether (we think) the alleged plagiarist wanted the plagiarism to be noticed. She could have misjudged her audience, and expected they would, say, recognize Buffy quotes in a Harry Potter fic, when it turns out they actually don't (what's wrong with them?). (I certainly don't recognize all of Pound's allusions in the Cantos, but that's why I have a trusty compendium--it's my fault for not living up to Pound's rather clear expectations, not his fault for having too high expectations.) I cited the Angel quotes in this XMM fic just to be safe, but I really feel like I shouldn't have had to do that--it was a virtual certainty that my flist would recognize the scene I was paying homage to. I could have been wrong (although judging by the response, I wouldn't have been), but it would still have been in good faith.

Of course, it's fairly easy to construct the intent of an author/moral agent who utilizes a passage from an obscure passage of which no one has ever heard; equally easy is it to construct that of one who uses an instantly recognizable line of Shakespeare. The problematic cases which lie in the grey area between are much harder to judge, but my inclination is always, in the name of increased artistic freedom, to give the author the benefit of the doubt.

[livejournal.com profile] miriam_heddy certainly seems to recognize all of this:
fandom ethics generally dictate )
Yet [livejournal.com profile] miriam_heddy remains in the descriptivist mode; in the end, she seems happy to simply try to more clearly articulate what the fannish mores are which pervail at this socio-historical location:
the vocabulary of fandom )
I'm not happy with that, because I'm afraid that if Eliot and Pound were in fandom, the fen would burn them in effigy right next to [insert accused plagiarist here], and I'm more than willing to take a normative stance on that as a very bad thing. If we're continuing the paralleling of ethics and literary criticism, my stance can be compared to feminist or post-colonial criticism: readings of a text given to multiple interpretations, but with a strong normative claim about the way we should be reading. There is something specifically deficient and detrimental about a definition of plagiarism as strictly equivalent to mere "use without attribution."

Note that I have no opinion on whether any specific individual is or is not a plagiarist by the standards I suggest (for one thing, I have no experience of their audiences, and thus what those audiences could reasonably be expected to know); I only want to ensure that all individuals are judged by the correct set of standards. The target of people's scorn may well deserve it; but when dishing it out, there's a very real danger in nonetheless painting with too wide a brush.
alixtii: Player from <i>Where on Earth Is Carmen Sandiego?</i> playing the game. (Default)
embedded video )

Some people on my flist have been passing around the Prince Caspian trailer and talking about the Narnia books in general. The topics are old chestnuts--discomfort with the Christian allegory, issues with the (lack of) purity of the adaptation--but it's been making me think about how much I enjoyed a movie I haven't really even thought about for about a year. How I still have the "Anna Popplewell is a Vampire Slayer" Will/Anna RPF fic started but unfinished on the harddrive of my desktop.

Also, I've been re-reading this post by [livejournal.com profile] cesperanza, on (among other things) identification and over-identification in fanfic, and especially chan fic:

My point is just that I think things are more complicated than theyseem when it comes to representation and identification. [. . .] I think that the whole process of writingfiction--giving a character interiority, backstory, emotional depth andpoint of view--is pretty much the opposite of objectificaton,however much we ooh and ahh over boys: it's personifying,characterizing, three-dimensionalizing, complicating.
Lots of good discussion in the comments, too.

In all, it's reminded me of my complication relationship with Susan Pevensie. You see, Anna was sixteen when the first movie came out, which is a bit young for me. But this didn't stop me from recognizing her as exactly the type of girl I would have been attracted to when I was, say, eighteen (William Mosley's age when the movie came out).

So Peter/Susan and Will/Anna ping me powerfully: I didn't kiss a young woman for the first time until I was 21, so reading and writing these pairings is (was? I haven't even thought about them in ages) in many ways an attempt to rewrite my own childhood, to put in the romance which was sorely lacking. (And keep in mind the way many of us in fandom, myself most certainly included, use sex as a metaphor for emotional intimacy!) So the fact is that I become incredibly invested in a pairing between two characters I don't even find myself, as the almost-twenty-four-years-old Alixtii O'Krul, particularly attractive; I nonetheless derive intense pleasure from imagining them in a romantic/sexual relationship. They're hot together--and I'm not even sure what I mean by that, but it's the terminology fandom has given to me to express myself.

Some of you might remember me trying to turn to the notion of "fictional desire."

So, in conclusion . . . when I was on YouTube looking for the Prince Caspian trailer, I looked for vid recs. Under the cut is the only one I found that I can rec with only one caveat (that it's black and white for no reason I can see).

vid rec )
alixtii: Mal and Kaylee, from Serenity the Movie. Text: "I Love My Captain." (iluvmycaptain)
"Because the only thing that no straight man would do is be in a sexual relationship with another man."

Do I have to say I disagree with the above? If one's working definition of anything that is clear-cut and unproblematic, and one isn't doing math (and I'd have doubts even then), then chances are pretty good one's definition is wrong (Wait, am I being hostile? I linked to a public post.)

And then in the comments, Grace said "Yeah, I would word it as being attracted to the same sex, rather than simply having sex, makes you gay (or bi)," (I linked to a comment on a public post written by someone on my flist! OMG, I must have all kinds of hostility!) which in my IMHO is just as unidimensional and unsatisfying. For me (and I'm just repeating myself here, because I've said it plenty of times before in this journal), sexual orientation is a complicated interplay of behavior (of which both desire and sexual acts would be subsets, I suppose, although desire is really constructed in a way that sex as an act is not), self-identify, and social interpellation.

To ignore the socially constructed character of either homosexuality or heterosexuality (or bisexuality or . . .) is, IMHO, a mistake.

OTOH, "gay" is a much less fluid category than "queer" (as we saw in the most recent batch of "queer female space" discussions), so maybe it makes sense that a note of (biological?) essentialism might creep in. (And let's face it, there's a lot of sexual orientation essentialism in fandom, beginning but not ending with the seemingly uncritical use of the Kinsey scale and the "X isn't gay!" anti-slash arguments.) But embracing homonormativity isn't exactly something we want to do in any case, and should be resisted on those grounds, right?
alixtii: Veronica and Mac. Text: "Girlfriends Actually." (Veronica Mars)
[livejournal.com profile] inlovewithnight linked to this article, "Harry Potter and the Framers' Intent," which discusses the way one should respond to JKR on Dumbledore's sexuality in relation to various theories of constitutional law. I used the same exact parallel in the comments of this post, actually, to discuss my position on authorial intent. What the article writer fails to emphasize sufficiently, however, (because he is too interested in selling his position on consitutional law, one I agree with) is that one doesn't have to go all the way to the place he goes wrt constitutional law to get to the rejection of JRK's authority. Even the position of a conservative originalist/textualist like Scalia would be enough to transfer the interpretative authority from JKR as author to the world as readers (which includes JKR, but also millions if not billions of others); the question of whether posterity should approach the text with the same interpretative conditions that we do is a question that can be saved for, well, posterity.

Scalia writes:
Two persons who speak only English see sculpted in the desert sand the words “LEAVE HERE OR DIE.” It may well be that the words were the fortuitous effect of wind, but the message they convey is clear, and I think our subjects would not gamble on the fortuity.

[. . .] As my desert example demonstrates, symbols (such as words) can convey meaning even if there is no intelligent author at all. If the ringing of an alarm bell has been established, in a particular building, as the conventional signal that the building must be evacuated, it will convey that meaning if it is activated by a monkey. And to a society in which the conventional means of communication is sixteenth-century English, The Merchant of Venice will be The Merchant of Venice even if it has been typed accidentally by a thousand monkeys randomly striking keys.

[. . .]

What is needed for a symbol to convey meaning is not an intelligent author, but a conventional understanding on the part of the readers or hearers that certain signs or certain sounds represent certain concepts.
And remember: this is the conservative position; the liberals would agree with it, and go even further (to the claim that meaning is even more manipulatable than Scalia would accept--but still not authorized by the [living, breathing, historical-biographical] author, but by a reader-constructed author-function).
alixtii: Summer pulling off the strap to her dress, in a very glitzy and model-y image. (River)
Literal-Minded provides (in a post from 2004) some good examples to parallel the femslash:slash relationship, in particular rooster:chicken, thumb:finger, square:rectangle, rectangle:quadrilateral, lesbian:gay (which of course is the obvious one when we're comparing to femslash:slash), and senator:congressman. (And there's an interesting meditation in the comments on whether abusers are in "abusive relationships.") [livejournal.com profile] languagelog only gave me microwave:oven (whose dynamic is less perfectly parallel).

And apparently there's a name for the phenomenon: Q-based narrowing. Wikipedia explains:
In semantics, Q-based narrowing is narrowing (a reduction in a word's range of meanings) that is caused by Grice's Maxim of Quantity (see Gricean maxims). Q-based narrowing occurs when a word A is a hypernym of a word B — that is, when every instance of B is an example of A. It is then common for the use of A to imply not B. For example, consider the words finger and thumb. A thumb is a kind of finger (hence the phrase ten fingers), but the term finger is not ordinarily applied to it: someone who has hurt their thumb might technically be correct in saying "I hurt my finger", but it would be misleading; the ordinary thing to say is "I hurt my thumb."

The term Q-based narrowing is due to Yale linguist Laurence Horn.

I haven't yet seen an in-depth analysis of the political implications of this phenomenon (other than ruminations on woman:man in general, a la Luce Irigaray, or Derridean deconstructions of binary thinking), but I'd like to.
alixtii: The groupies from Dr. Horrible. (meta)
Thank you for signing up to write a story for me! You're one of 12 people (one of whom was me) who offered to write for The Parent Trap, one of 7 people (one of whom was me) who offered to write for Heinlein's multiverse, and/or one of 9 people (one of whom was me) who offered to write for Where on Earth is Carmen Sandiego?, and I love you for that alone.

If you check out my userinfo, you'll find a 'thon policy which implores that you be true first and foremost to the prompt and your muse, and to consider whether I'd like a story as, at most, a secondary concern. I stand by that, but I also recognize there is a sense that a [livejournal.com profile] yuletide story is explicitly a gift in a way which most 'thon fics aren't, so feel free to surf through this journal to get a feel for me (let me note that  is my incest tag), and here's a little bit more, if you are interested, to help you understand how I relate to the specific texts and characters in the fandoms I've requested and what I might like.

I'm drawn to what I call will-to-poweriness, the adolescent fantasy, the desire to exceed oneself that also draws me to things like superhero comics (one of my fandoms is, indeed, X-Men) and fantasy shows like Buffy the Vampire Slayer (which is my main fandom). My especial kink is children and teenagers who prove themselves to be the equals (or betters) to adults because they are just that awesome. All of this comes through in my requests, I think. There is a clear will-to-poweriness in Where on Earth is Carmen Sandiego?, most of all in Carmen herself, of course, beyond good and evil, doing whatever she wants whenever she wants because she can, stealing things for no good reason except as an expression of her superiority, the former ACME agent engaged in a perpetual game of cat and mouse. But also, on one level, in Zach and Ivy, the young (!!) ACME agents who pursue her, and on another level, in Player, just as much a teenager, radically empowered within the world of the game she plays and manipulates, Carmen's eternal antagonist. And likewise in The Parent Trap with Annie and Hallie and in Heinlein's novels with Laz and Lor; both sets of twins are constantly getting the better of the adults who surround them, setting up their own "parent traps" so to speak.

This, actually, is where my interest in incest comes from: with these radically autonomized figures no real problematization of consent is possible, an argument I make more fully in this post from 2006. But don't feel like you have to write incest if you've matched up with me on Heinlein or on The Parent Trap; I'd much prefer experiencing the characters as you see them behaving in-character as you see them than twisted out of shape to force them into bed with each other. The most important thing is to preserve the canon dynamics--I have my trusty 'cest goggles for everything else. Although if you throw me a bone in making it subtexty, that's wonderful too. (Finding a way too insert gratuitous nudity or close touching into The Parent Trap shouldn't be too difficult. Getting Laz and Lor to wear any clothes at all might be.)

Although, really, Laz/Lor is pretty much canon, no? But there is a way in (my corners of, I don't know whence you hail) fandom that we use sex as a metaphor for emotional intimacy, so that twincest becomes the deepest, strongest type of interpersonal communion imaginable--and this is the dynamic I'm looking for with Annie/Hallie and Laz/Lor, the way their strongest bond is to each other, and if you feel most comfortable providing that bond in a non-sexual way that's still absolutely wonderful.

more on the parent trap )

more on where on earth is carmen sandiego )

very little about r.a.h. )

Thank you again for writing a story for me. Be true to your own muse, and I'm sure I'll love the result!

Yours in La Mancha,

Episkopos Reverend Alixtii O'Krul V, TRL
Church of St. Jesu the Heretic, Discordian
alixtii: Player from <i>Where on Earth Is Carmen Sandiego?</i> playing the game. (Default)
Discussions have got me thinking about how I define religion (I make a point of not defining religion, mostly, but relying on people's self-identifications). In these discussions--but not necessarily outside of them, I don't know--I seem to operating under something like

Religion = Cultural Forms + Ideology

Obviously that would include everything, since all cultural forms have an ideological character, but it seems to me that the stronger the bond between the cultural forms and the ideology, the more of a religious character it takes on. Is there anything obviously wrong with this?

And I'm still not sure if the problem is how to make the cultural forms accessible to people who don't share the ideology, or whether it's how to respect people who don't share the cultural forms (not necessarily for any ideological reason, but just because they're not theirs). The two questions seem to be complicating each other and making for a lot of confusion. [ETA: For example, the "conversation" (that is far too charitable a word) in Amy's journal when a flamer (that word is much more appropriate) claimed that religion was chosen. The ideology should be chosen after thoughtful reflection, but cultural forms are inherited.]
alixtii: The groupies from Dr. Horrible. (meta)
For the record, I am white, male, heterosexual, middle-class, American, Christian, . . .  frankly? It'd be quicker to name the ways I'm not privileged.

I say this not because it's National Coming Out Day [I notebooked this post in class and on the train yesterday--Ed.] (although I sort of do want to make a long post about how I experience my heterosexuality, and how I feel certain labels apply to me, and what it means when everyone assumes those labels apply to me already anyway, but can't think of a way to do it that wouldn't make me feel like I'm appropriating), but because it means that I have pretty much two choices: I can, in the long tradition of privileged individuals, ignore my privilege, or I can learn to deal with it. I won't claim that I've done the latter; indeed, there is no doubt in my mind there are numerous ways in which I have not. What I have done is think a lot about what is the  best way to try.

Learning to deal with it is not necessarily accepting every claim made by a traditional victim (survivor?) of injustice. It is not to automatically agree that everything which is claimed to be descriminative or unjust or whatever-ist is. That'd be intellectual suicide, and an abrogation of one's moral responsibilities to boot. It may happen that, when all is said and done, when one looks at a situation from the perspective of who one is, there will still be disagreement. That's okay.

I vote for Party X (out of two choices, does any of my flisters really doubt which that is?) because my parents vote for Party X (or Party Q when they are reasonably sure Party Y won't win, as do I) and instilled me with the values that lead me to vote that way. Most likely, if my parents voted for Party Y than I would too. Recognizing this doesn't make me want to stop voting for Party X--I still think I am right to vote for Party X, and will continue to think so until convinced otherwise--but it does make me stop and think about why I am voting for Party X, to re-examine my premises.

Similarly, what is required when a claim of injustice is made is a pause, a hesitation, an honest assessment of oneself and one motives, and above all listening with an open mind.

. . .

the part about Sapir-Whorf, which is very relevant to the above if you look at it sideways )
alixtii: Mary Magdalene washing the face of Jesus of Nazareth, from the film production of Jesus Christ Superstar. (religion)
This post (on the "Non-Christian's Christmas") linked by [livejournal.com profile] metafandom (to be linked? I follow the del.icio.us account) is making me think, as posts so linked are liable to do. I'm on the record as being in favor of secular appropriation of religious holidays, while being uncomfortable with the Christocentricism at work in the way secular Western society actually works in appropriating religious holidays. (Which makes my thoughts about something like [livejournal.com profile] yuletide very complicated.) I am in favor of said appropriation for three main reasons:

1.) I do not believe that there is any such thing as a "core truth" to any religion, and thus the breaking apart of ritual from the oppressiveness of doctrine is viewed by me as an overall beneficial shift.

2.) I believe the secular forms of religious holidays are rich cultural forms that have merit in their own right.

3.) I believe, as a Christian, that the Holy Spirit works in complicated and mysterious ways. 

I know, however, that there are people on my flist who quite strongly dislike said appropriation, at least some from a sense that the resulting cultural forms are somehow inauthentic. Y/N?
alixtii: Player from <i>Where on Earth Is Carmen Sandiego?</i> playing the game. (Default)
Troilus and Criseyde [link is to complete text at Wikisource] functions as a satire, in effect reversing the topoi of the dystopian satires which would come into fashion in the late 19th and early 20th centuries by locating the dystopia not in a potential future but instead a primeval past. “[T]he language that satire imitates serves or reflects the disturbance of culture” so that “[t]he metalinguistic function in satire articulates the equivalence of meaningless with social disorder” (Knight 35). Chaucer’s explorations of language, then, are part and parcel of his social commentary on “Trojan” values.

Various mechanisms are used by Chaucer to distance himself from the [pagan] authorial persona which narrates the poem—until the end. In the last few stanzas, Chaucer strangely renounces his previous ironic stance and speaks in what is either his true voice or, possibly, yet another ironic shield. Yet neither possibility is a completely satisfactory option. If we see Chaucer as speaking in his own voice, then this switch represents the death-knell of the very ironic stance which made the poem so rich. Instead of a rich web with layers of meaning, Chaucer provides us with a single, “correct” interpretation rendering his poem oddly unidimensional. Religious truth, under this not only Christian but Christianist (in the sense of a system of codified belief rather than transformative religious praxis) reading, is allowed to trump aesthetics, and the richness of the poem is sacrificed as a result to the single, exclusivist Christian vision. As Theodore Stroud notes, "at least one issues seems to defy resolution, that is, the emotional confusion we experience at reading the palinode. Nothing adequately prepares us for Chaucer’s condemning every vestige of the morality not merely by which his characters have acted but in terms of which the narrator comments on those actions" (1).

All of the metalinguistic markers throughout Chaucer’s text invite us to be suspicious of his ultimate meaning, but the palinode asks us to reject that suspicion in favor of a simpler (and, in my opinion, far less interesting) belief in the efficacy of the Christian message. Yet neither is it satisfactory to assume that Chaucer is simply creating another layer of ironic play. To interpret Troilus as a satire in this way would be to assume that the Christian epilogue is at its heart insincere, that the Catholic Church is simply another target of its satire. There is no evidence within the text itself upon which to base such a fairly radical claim, however, and the interpretation of Chaucer as a postmodern nihilist, announcing the impossibility of objective truth, has something of the flavor of anachronism.

However, it may do us well here to draw on semiotician Umberto Eco’s concept of the postmodern moment as something which is
not a chronologically circumscribed category but a spiritual category, or better yet a Kunstwollen (a Will-to-Art), perhaps a stylistic device and/or a world view. We could say that every age has its own postmodern, just as every age has its own form of modernism (in fact, I wonder if postmodern is not simply the modern name for Manierismus as a metahistorical category).
Viewed in this way, the postmodern reading of Troilus and Criseyde no longer seems quite so anachronistic. Eco locates this postmodern spirit in an engagement with the past, an engagement that Troilus has in spades:

I believe that every age reaches moments of crisis[. . . .] The sense that the past is restricting, smothering, blackmailing us. The historical avant-garde [. . .] tries to settle its accounts with the past. [. . .] The postmodern response to the modern consists instead of recognizing that the past—since it may not be destroyed, for its destruction result in silence—must be revisited ironically, in a way which is not innocent. (2-3)
Chaucer revisits the past in this way in Troilus and Criseyde when he, within the text, ironically engages the history of the fall of Troy, the prefigurement of London’s self-identity as Troy Novant, and when he, through the text, engages in the language and form of classical epic. This return is necessary because otherwise one can merely replace the broken idols with new ones (as Chaucer himself is doing under the Christianist reading). Irony provides an avenue for a new type of speech altogether (Eco 2).

Still, there seems to be no textual way to adjudicate between the Christianist and postmodern readings. As Eco points out, “[i]n the case of the modern, anyone who does not understand the game can only reject it. With the postmodern it is possible to misunderstand the game, by taking things seriously.” Our best decision in such a situation may be to not decide at all. Perhaps it is best to let both possible interpretations of Troilus and Criseyde stand next to each other, interrogating each other, as an ambiguity which enriches the text, creating its own new web of multi-leveled meaning. The puzzle of the satiric nature of Troilus is, maybe, one which is best left unsolved. 
works cited )
. . .

As a result of grad school, a lot of thoughts are swimming around in my mind. My impulse, which I think is a good one, is to return to my notes and papers from undergrad and to use them to help me shape my thoughts. A year's passage or more helps me to examine my earlier--sometimes completely forgotten--thoughts with the necessary critical distance.

There's been a lot of talk of postmodernism in this journal, in my grad school classes, and in various discussions to be found on the 'net (such as at Kristina Busse's blog), and I think the above argument about Chaucer's Troilus and Criseyde as a postmodern text, made when I was a senior in undergrad ([livejournal.com profile] deliriumdriver no doubt remembers the night on which it was written, as we had the same class and we spent the hours of morning IM-ing each other as our page counts slowly grew higher), helps to cast light on it. What does it mean to think of Troilus as a postmodern text, and how is that different from thinking of, say, Speranza's Victors that way? Since many of these conversations are also ones that members of my flist are invested in, I have provided it above. (I have chosen not to subject you to the ten pages of semi-close reading which preceded it.)

This piece doesn't, although I thought it did, draw upon the essay by Eco of which I'm thinking when I talk about Eco describing postmodernism as a mode of reading--that essay was Postlude to The Name of the Rose and I think I had left it home?--but it does, of course, draw extensively on another, different set of statements by Eco about the postmodern. When I originally wrote this, of course, the goal was to understand Chaucer; I return to it now in order to understand the postmodern, and thus it functions as a case study.
alixtii: The groupies from Dr. Horrible. (meta)
I've just stopped by the Commuter Lounge after class, and we've done Frankenstein. Now the prof wanted to focus on the slippages and fallibilities inherent in the various levels of framing devices, but I'm actually more interested in the transparencies. We found plenty of examples of said slippages, places where the narrators may be less than reliable or at least have their reliability called into question, and I can think of more we did not discuss in class, but I almost want to argue that these are localized phenomena, not actually casting sustained doubt on any of the levels of narrative--as opposed to Victors, discussed previously, which problematizes the process of narrative itself, as argued by Kristina Busse in her blog.

Fig. 1 ) Take the diagram I put forth in one of my previous posts. In Frankenstein the answer to "What is the story about?" exists on the level of what is called in the diagram the "Events of Story."

**[ The Creature's Account to Frankenstein <-- ] Frankenstein's Account to Walton** <-- Walton's Letters to Margaret <-- Shelley's Novel 

The answer to "What is Frankenstein about?" is not "An arctic explorer who writes letters to his sister" (as much as I might like to imagine the 'cesty possibilities thereof) but rather "A scientist who animates a creature." This is what I mean by "transparent."

But in, say, "The Tell-Tale Heart" the answer to "What is the story is about?" rests not on the "Events of Story" but rather the "Diegetic Act of Narration."

The Narrator's Committing of Murder and the Aftermath Thereof <-- **An Insane Man Confessing to Police** <-- Poe's Short Story

Here the answer to "What is the story about?" is not "A magical heart that continues to beat after death" but instead "A crazy man who commits murder and is driven by his hallucinations to confess." We would, under standard hermeneutic conditions, call a reading which placed the primacy on the events of the story as written rather than the diegetic act of narration suggested thereof a misreading. The story is, so to speak, "translucent."

There are narratives in which an ambiguity exists as to where the primacy lies. For example, in "Annabell Lee," the poem is either a lovely love poem (my mother's reading, although one founded on principle rather than ignorance--she refuses to read it any other way) or a poem about a crazy person who sleeps in sea-side mausoleums. My "On Her Knees" seems to be a dystopian AU futurefic, but I think it's "really" about the mindgames Lilah plays on Wes during season 4 of Angel.

And, if we accept Busse's argument, in Victors the primacy actually lies within the the act of reading itself. It is completely and utterly opaque.

What Really Happened <-- Various Forms of Documentation <-- **Speranza's Fanfiction**
alixtii: Mal and Kaylee, from Serenity the Movie. Text: "I Love My Captain." (Mal/Kaylee)
spoilers for Revenge of the Slitheen  )

It occurs to me that SJA is, in a lot of ways, the flip side of Torchwood, and Who is the synthesis of the two. Jack is the Doctor's dark side, Lonely God and Lord of Time, answerable to no one and capable of genocide with a quip, and Sarah Jane is his ethical side, the part that says "This is where I stand; I can do no other."

Which is of course yet another reason why TW/SJA crossovers need to happen. (Spunky investigative journalist takes down secret illegal extragovernmental organization, with the help of teenagers! Would hit my kinks so hard.)
alixtii: The groupies from Dr. Horrible. (meta)
My post the other night on person and tense was, admittedly, about equal parts tl;dr and navel-gazing (but then, that can describe most non-fiction posts in this journal), but its contents did also point towards a conclusion that I didn't draw then but will now: that our talk of "tenses" and "persons" in reference to fiction are oversimplifications, grammatical terms that just can't handle narrative. Is "Requiem at Reichenbach" (or "The Tell-Tale Heart" or Frankenstein or whatever) told in present tense or past tense? Is it in first-person or second-person? (I'd say the first, since it's Moriarty's rather Holmes' thoughts which we are privy to, but I've received plenty of comment discussing my use of the second-person.) One of my dreams is to write a novel told in alternating narratives, one in first-person and second-person, which finally culminates in "I" meeting "you" at the end.

Not to mention the possibilities like "first-person omniscient" or "third-person telepathic"--the latter being a POV I've written quite a bit, thanks to River and Drusilla.

Janet Burroughway in her textbook Writing Fiction (which I loved in high school because it was much more in-depth and complex than any creative writing work I've read before or since) provides as an alternative a series of questions, only two of which ("Who speaks?" and "To whom?") I remember off the top of my head, but my impulse when encountering a broken system isn't to create a newer, better, much-improved system but instead to ask whether it wasn't the systematizing impulse itself that was flawed in the first place.

Now I'm re-reading my post alongside Kristina Busse's blogpost on Speranza’s Written By the Victors as Exemplary Fantext and the resonances are striking. Victors, which is a novel-length SGA fic I have not read, is made of exactly the phenomena I was discussing on Tuesday night (Wednesday morning) a situation where the narrative itself exists diegetically within the fictional universe. Victors includes seemingly contradictory narratives which are nonetheless assumed to exist within the same fictional universe (i.e. the narratives themselves exist within the same fictional universe, but the events they describe cannot be reconciled and thus do not)--the situation "Requiem at Reichenbach" is in when read alongside the original canon narrated by Watson.

Requiem at Reichenbach: Moriarty's memories of Holme's first case <-- Moriarty's internal monologue as he falls at Reichenbach <-- Alixtii writing a fic for [livejournal.com profile] yuletide
Conan Doyle's canon: The adventures of Sherlock Holmes <-- Watson's chronicling of his friends' adventures <-- Sir Arthur writing stories in The Strand

It's the two events in green (and not the two events in red) which are assumed to exist within the same universe--since all of the events in red cannot even exist in the same universe with each other; at the very least, it would be necessary to choose between the Moriarty backstory we are given in "The Final Problem" (where Watson first hears of Moriarty when Holmes is already running for his life) and The Valley of Fear (in which both Watson and Scotland Yard are fully aware of Holmes' obsession well before the events of "The Final Problem" are assumed to take place), which cannot be (easily?) reconciled with each other. To preserve the illusion, we construct the interpretation such that it is Watson rather than Doyle who has made a mistake. (Cf. other works of Sherlockiana, the most famous of course being The Seven-Percent Solution.) And none of this even touches on the subject of Watson's war wound or the question of how Moriarty brothers there were and how many of them were named James. Or the fact that there are stories in Doyle's canon which are not narrated by Watson.

That Doyle's canon has these features is, of course, no surprise: it is the text which gave birth to fandom.

Moriarty in "Requiem" has read the Watsonian canon pre-"The Final Problem" (which is of course assumed to be identical to the corresponding Doylist canon); he even makes a direct reference to a line in A Study in Scarlet at one point, when he compares his own first impressions of Holmes with those of Watson. The sketch we get in canon leaves the status of these diegetic writings rather in doubt; fanon generally imports as much information from the actual world into the fictional world as possible, so that Watson's stories were published in The Strand under Doyle's name, etc. (This line of logic leaves us to assume that all of the people who searched out Holmes to solve their mysteries within the canon after reading Watson's accounts didn't understand the notion of fiction.)

For Kristina, this type of scenario "mirrors fannish and academic disputes in analysis and interpretation by asking the reader to weigh the different historical accounts and documents against one another. As [she has] argued before, fan fiction does not consist only of individual works of art but must be approached as a collectively written, highly intertextual, internally contradictory text which is continually being written through the use of various modes of interface."

This all so very postmodern.

Maybe?

While the use of texts within texts is a common postmodern trope, it also predates postmodernism by several thousand years, unless we are to consider Homer to have been a postmodern when s/he had Odysseus relate to the Phoenician king the story of his journey. OTOH, if one accepts (as I do) along with Umberto Eco that the postmodern is a mode of reading rather than a mode of writing, than The Odyssey is totally fair game. After all, I once wrote a fifteen-page paper in undergrad on Troilus and Criseyde as postmodern text. (Note that T&C also contains multiple contradictory texts-within-texts!)
alixtii: Drusilla holding a knife to Angel's throat. Text: "Got Freud?" (Drusilla)
This post on person and tense made me think about how I used these in my own writings. I know that I've written several fics in the much-dreaded second person, and I feel like I use past and present tenses about equally. But I decided to go back to my index and make a list.

1st person )

2nd person )

Third Person (POV character is "she," "he," etc.)
Everything else . . . my fic index is here. [ETA: 38% of my third-person fic is written in present tense; the other 62% is written in past tense. The longer a fic is, the more likely it is written in past tense; the shorter it is, the more likely it is written in present tense.]

[. . .]

Figure 1 ) The interesting thing here is that whenever there is a "you," regardless of whether "I" or "you" are the POV character, in every case but one the story is in present tense. In "Permutations" the shift from 3rd/1st person to 2nd person even happens to exactly coincide with the shift from past tense to present tense. When I stop and think about it, this makes sense. Having a "you" foregrounds the act of telling, even if it is only a character's internal monologue as she addresses herself during the story's events, so the story by necessity takes place as it is being told, whether it be Moriarty and Holmes plummeting to their deaths at Reichenbach Falls in "Requiem at Reichenbach" or Dawn preparing Beatrice for the Cruciamentum in "Watcher's Burden." Indeed, in "Dear My Ideal Audience," the telling of the story is completely inseparable from the events it described (a dynamic which is integral to metafiction, as we'll see below).

In the one instance in which a story with a "you" in it is not in the present tense, it is still not written in the past tense, but rather in the future tense. Since we know that it is Lilah who is speaking and Wesley who is being spoken to, though, we are also privy to an implied "now" in which the act of narration is taking place, one in which Lilah is imagining for Wes' benefit one possible future. What we end up with is a series of concentric circles.

Events of "On Her Knees" <-- Lilah narrating "On Her Knees" to Wes <-- The reader reading Alixtii's fanfic "On Her Knees"

The difference between "On Her Knees" and "Requiem at Reichenbach" is simply that the inner ring--the 'verse in which the diegetic act of naration is taking place--in "Requiem" is more fully fleshed out, whereas we have no idea where Lilah and Wes are or what they are doing as Lilah narrates the story to Wes. This difference is enough for me to refer to "Requiem" as being present tense; it's simply that the bulk of the narrative takes place in flashbacks. Even more bluntly, "On Her Knees" contains no present-tense verbs, while "Requiem" does. Compare, say, Poe's "A Tell-Tale Heart."

Moriarty's memories of Holmes <-- Moriarty remembering (at Reichenbach, as he falls to his death) <--The reader reading

Metafiction operates by blurring the division between the innermost sphere and the ring which surrounds it, as in both "Dear My Ideal Audience" and "Incurable (The 'All You Zombies' Remix)."

River Tam and the Ideal Audience <---> Joss Whedon doing a creative writing exercise <-- Alixtii doing a meme in Ari's journal

River as agent of Wolfram & Hart  <---> Ari as White Room Girl <-- Alixtii writing a remix of Ari's fic
River as agent of Wolfram & Hart <---> River in the asylum <-- Alixtii writing a remix of Ari's fic

As Ari says in the comments to "Incurable (The 'All You Zombies' Remix)," "Clearly where [one] need[s] a flowchart to understand the construction of [a] fic, something is right."

October 2023

S M T W T F S
1234567
891011121314
15 161718192021
22232425262728
293031    

Syndicate

RSS Atom

Most Popular Tags

Style Credit

Expand Cut Tags

No cut tags