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My naive intuition is that podfic falls somewhere between remixing or otherwise writing fanfic of fanfic (which I most strongly maintain does not require permission) and archiving fic (which does, generally). Now while all the podfic meta I've ever read stresses the transformativeness of podfic, that's not necessarily at odds with my naive intuition. After all, I don't think I've ever heard anyone's describing OTW's mandate as including unlicensed audiobooks.

So I don't know.

And so, in the spirit of the original discussion post, a poll.

Poll #2260 Transformativity of Fanworks
Open to: Registered Users, detailed results viewable to: All, participants: 44


On a scale of 0 and 10, with 0 being "not at all transformative" and 10 being "the most transformative I can possibly imagine," how transformative is fanfiction as a genre?

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Mean: 7.42 Median: 8 Std. Dev 1.87
0
0 (0.0%)
1
0 (0.0%)
2
0 (0.0%)
3
3 (7.0%)
4
0 (0.0%)
5
5 (11.6%)
6
2 (4.7%)
7
8 (18.6%)
8
14 (32.6%)
9
5 (11.6%)
10
6 (14.0%)

On a scale of 0 and 10, with 0 being "not at all transformative" and 10 being "the most transformative I can possibly imagine," how transformative (in relation to the original fic, not the canon) is podfic as a genre?

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Mean: 3.86 Median: 4 Std. Dev 1.89
0
0 (0.0%)
1
5 (11.6%)
2
6 (14.0%)
3
10 (23.3%)
4
5 (11.6%)
5
9 (20.9%)
6
4 (9.3%)
7
2 (4.7%)
8
2 (4.7%)
9
0 (0.0%)
10
0 (0.0%)

When taken as genres, podfic is ___ transformative when compared to fanfiction.

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more
2 (4.7%)

less
31 (72.1%)

equally
10 (23.3%)

On a scale of 0 and 10, with 0 being "not at all transformative" and 10 being "the most transformative I can possibly imagine," how transformative (in relation to the remixed fic, not the canon) are fanfiction remixes as a genre?

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Mean: 7.07 Median: 7 Std. Dev 1.61
0
0 (0.0%)
1
0 (0.0%)
2
0 (0.0%)
3
1 (2.4%)
4
1 (2.4%)
5
5 (12.2%)
6
8 (19.5%)
7
8 (19.5%)
8
11 (26.8%)
9
4 (9.8%)
10
3 (7.3%)

When taken as genres, fanfiction remixes are ___ transformative when compared to fics which are not remixes.

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more
8 (19.5%)

less
10 (24.4%)

equally
23 (56.1%)

When taken as genres, podfics are ___ transformative when compared to fanfiction remixes.

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more
2 (4.9%)

less
32 (78.0%)

equally
7 (17.1%)

On a scale of 0 and 10, with 0 being "not at all transformative" and 10 being "the most transformative I can possibly imagine," how transformative are fanvids as a genre, in relation to the images?

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Mean: 7.33 Median: 8 Std. Dev 1.83
0
0 (0.0%)
1
0 (0.0%)
2
1 (2.4%)
3
1 (2.4%)
4
1 (2.4%)
5
4 (9.5%)
6
3 (7.1%)
7
10 (23.8%)
8
12 (28.6%)
9
5 (11.9%)
10
5 (11.9%)

On a scale of 0 and 10, with 0 being "not at all transformative" and 10 being "the most transformative I can possibly imagine," how transformative are fanvids as a genre, in relation to the music?

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Mean: 5.34 Median: 6 Std. Dev 2.81
0
2 (4.9%)
1
3 (7.3%)
2
3 (7.3%)
3
5 (12.2%)
4
1 (2.4%)
5
5 (12.2%)
6
7 (17.1%)
7
4 (9.8%)
8
5 (12.2%)
9
4 (9.8%)
10
2 (4.9%)

On a scale of 0 and 10, with 0 being "not at all transformative" and 10 being "the most transformative I can possibly imagine," how transformative is (static) fanart (other than photomanipulations) as a genre?

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Mean: 6.68 Median: 7 Std. Dev 2.27
0
0 (0.0%)
1
2 (4.5%)
2
0 (0.0%)
3
2 (4.5%)
4
4 (9.1%)
5
3 (6.8%)
6
10 (22.7%)
7
3 (6.8%)
8
10 (22.7%)
9
6 (13.6%)
10
4 (9.1%)

On a scale of 0 and 10, with 0 being "not at all transformative" and 10 being "the most transformative I can possibly imagine," how transformative are manips as a genre?

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Mean: 6.62 Median: 7 Std. Dev 2.30
0
0 (0.0%)
1
0 (0.0%)
2
3 (7.1%)
3
2 (4.8%)
4
3 (7.1%)
5
6 (14.3%)
6
3 (7.1%)
7
7 (16.7%)
8
10 (23.8%)
9
3 (7.1%)
10
5 (11.9%)

Is there a specific threshold of transformativity which is required to create fanworks without the original works' creators' permission?

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Yes
4 (10.0%)

No
17 (42.5%)

Maybe
18 (45.0%)

Fnord
1 (2.5%)

If so, what is that threshold?

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Mean: 3.69 Median: 4.5 Std. Dev 2.17
0
3 (18.8%)
1
0 (0.0%)
2
1 (6.2%)
3
3 (18.8%)
4
1 (6.2%)
5
5 (31.2%)
6
2 (12.5%)
7
1 (6.2%)
8
0 (0.0%)
9
0 (0.0%)
10
0 (0.0%)


From the OTW FAQ: "A transformative use is one that, in the words of the U.S. Supreme Court, 'adds something new, with a further purpose or different character, altering the [source] with new expression, meaning, or message.' A story from Voldemort's perspective is transformative, so is a story about a pop star that illustrates something about current attitudes toward celebrity or sexuality."

Evaluate a genre's transformativity as a genre in whatever way makes sense to you, whether it is by singling out something you think is essential about that genre or by just taking all the fics you've read in a genre and taking their average transformativity.

Obviously the numbers you come up with will be somewhat arbitrary, and the whole process a bit overly schematic, but hopefully as an exercise it'll prove enlightening. If not, still a poll! Polls are fun! (Sorry for the lack of ticky boxes.)

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Date: 2010-02-10 04:22 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] crypto
I think of podfics as adaptations, which are generally a different category than the kinds of works that OTW and U.S. Copyright law have in mind viz. transformative use. I don't think it's necessary to claim podfics as transformative in order to value the artistry and craft that go into them, or how they can offer an interpretation of the fics.

But I don't necessarily consider transformativity as an aesthetic value in and of itself (vs. a legal concept). For instance, an AU story would typically be more transformative viz. the source then a casefile fic, and slash would be more transformative than gen, etc., but that doesn't mean that the former types of stories are inherently better or more -- interesting? creative? -- than the latter.

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